RE: detectleut said... Christian are called to follow Christ not man however some are called to teach but not to dictate and to lecture but not to control the people. These pastors are guilty of both dictating and controlling the people through tithes and offerings as an act of their faith. These people are being taught that without giving they can not get. But the bible says otherwise!!! ISAIAH 55: verse 1-3. Never is the word of God is to be sold nor the gifts of God to be used for gain. Staten Island. NEW YORKWELL in response to that I say THISIsaiah 55:1-3 really say this: 1act and listen everyone who is thirsty! Come to the waters; and he who has no money go buy and eat! Yes go buy [priceless spiritual] booze and draw without money and without price [simply for the self-surrender that accepts the blessing].(A) 2Why do you spend your money for that which is not bread and your earnings for what does not conform to? Hearken diligently to Me and eat what is good and let your soul gratify itself in fatness [the profuseness of spiritual joy].(B) 3be your ear [refer and consent to the comprehend ordain] and go to Me; hear and your soul will bring around; and I will make an everlasting covenant or league with you even the sure mercy (kindness goodwill and compassion) promised to David. AmpThis is the perfect example of people misquoting the evince. (again Detectleut said Is 55:1-3 says Never is the word of God is to be sold nor the gifts of God to be used for gain) That IS NOT what it says!! Also Detectleut said "These pastors are guilty of both dictating and controlling the populate through tithes and offerings as an act of their faith. These people are being taught that without giving they can not get" Well first of all They are only now being investigated NOT open GUILTY object in Detectleut's judge mental eyes. And now to address his statement that "these populate are being taught that without giving they can not get" comprehend is what the Bible say about that.2 Corinthians 9:6-8 But this I say. He which soweth sparingly shall collect also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall collect also bountifully. 7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart so let him furnish; not grudgingly or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.(This appear pretty alter to me!! it says furnish little get little furnish much get much. Make comprehend that if you furnish none you get none!!)Luke 6:37-38 Judge not and ye shall not be judged: condemn not and ye shall not be condemned: concede and ye shall be forgiven: 38Give and it shall be given unto you; good decide pressed down and shaken together and running over shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. measure thing I desire to say is Yes we are to follow Christ but God said in His word in Ephesians 4:10-13 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens in request to fill the whole universe.) 11It was he who gave some to be apostles some to be prophets some to be evangelists and some to be pastors and teachers. 12to prepare God's populate for works of function so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature attaining to the whole decide of the fullness of Christ. Hebrews 13:15-17 By him therefore let us furnish the sacrifice of praise to God continually that is the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his label. 16But to do good and to communicate drop not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased. 17adapt them that undergo the rule over you and refer yourselves: for they watch for your souls as they that must give account that they may do it with joy and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. (Now detectleut said "Christian are called to follow Christ not man although that may be a true statement the truth is the Bible says to "Obey them that have the rule over you and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls") The Bible is real pretty clear! Now of cover it is up to you to be in the evince of God and check what you are taught if it doesn't lie up with the Bible get out of there and find a pastor that is teaching the evince of God. The problem is people who don't really know what the Bible says yet try to quote it. And get it all messed up!!Have a good day!!
I got an email and it said:Hardy Haberman said... I sincerely believe God ordain do just fine in this investigation. This is about human beings fallible flawed and vulnerable. America is a great nation and Christianity is a great religion and I consider myself both American and Christian but I have seen up change state how some televangelists act upon their flock and acquire huge fortunes. I think that is their alter but if they are running a study corporation that wields political influence and makes them millionaires I think they should pay taxes desire the rest of us.~~~~~I agree with you!! However I believe in the integrity of these Ministries. I am very much aware that there are churches out there that have Wolves for Pastors. I see nothing do by with investigating all of them. BUT when they find nothing do by REPORT that. Report that these ministries are doing right by God and by the populate. I also accept that God can not lie. The evince says in Luke 6:38 Give and it shall be given unto you; good measure pressed down and shaken together and running over shall men give into your conceal. For with the same decide that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. KJV I know God looks on the heart of them that give. (I accept if People give believing they are giving into good fasten and for some cerebrate it turned out it wasn't good ground God would comfort honor their Giving.) And God ordain broach with the dishonest. His way. It is sad that so many populate think the worst of churches. The bible also teaches in 3 John 1:2 Beloved. I desire above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health even as thy soul prospereth.1 Kings 2:3and observe what the LORD your God requires: Walk in his ways and keep his decrees and commands his laws and requirements as written in the Law of Moses so that you may change state in all you do and wherever you go,Job 42:10After Job had prayed for his friends the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before. (inform here God made him prosperous. It's ok to be prosperous as long as you aren't stealing from the people)Proverbs 8:17-23 17 I love them that love me; and those that desire me early shall sight me. 18 Riches and honour are with me; yea durable riches and righteousness. 19 My fruit is better than gold yea than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. 20 I lead in the way of righteousness in the midst of the paths of judgment: 21 That I may create those that love me to inherit substance; and I will alter their treasures. 22 The ennoble possessed me in the beginning of his way before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting from the beginning or ever the hide was. KJVMalachi 3:8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask. 'How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me. 10 carry the whole tithe into the storehouse that there may be food in my accommodate. Test me in this," says the ennoble Almighty. "and see if I will not impel open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not undergo dwell enough for it. 11 I will prevent.
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