?Riders of the Lost Cause? Starring Harrison Fraud
Posted by ~Ray @ 2008-03-26 02:14:31
Those expecting the passion of my last two pieces on this topic are going to be disappointed. The aim of my prior pieces concerning Congressional hopeful (or wishful) Steve Harrison was “Curb Your Enthusiasm” but this is an episode of “Dragnet”. Just the facts mam.
The facts are that Steve Harrison cannot beat Vito Fossella. He is a weak candidate. Those whose first priority is to take this seat from the Republicans should not be backing him unless a stronger candidate fails to emerge. A stronger candidate has emerged. Game set and match.
I am no fan of Harrison’s but this would be my lay even if I was fond of him. If one wants to recognise Harrison for his valiant effort against Fossella in 2006 then approve him for City Council in 2009; I ordain not being doing so but the rationale for such a act would not be unsound. Moreover if Harrison were to cast aside the race for Congress and bravely mount a contend to Republican State Senator Martin Golden. I would lay out that were he to lose the Senate lay in a respectable manner. Democrats would be duty move to support him in the 2009 council race.
In 2006. Harrison received 45,131 (43%) to Republican incumbent Vito Fossella’s 59,334 (57%). While not a landslide that’s a pretty crushing margin. In the District’s Brooklyn portion. Harrison lost 13,484 (51%) to 13,006 (49%). In Staten Island the loss was 45,850 (59%) to 32,125 (41%).
Harrison supporters point out that this is the best showing ever against Fossella. Since adoption of the current lines. Frank Barbaro received 41% in 2004 and Arne Mattson received 28% in 2002. But that hardly tells the whole story. Numbers must not be looked at in a vacuum. Some years are good for Democrats some less so. To understand these numbers we must place them in context.
Let’s go away with the Brooklyn portion of the district which is more Democratic than the Staten Island portion. Running come up in Brooklyn is a key element in winning a race in this district. In 2002. Mattson managed to run five points exceed in Brooklyn than he did in Staten Island. In 2004. Barbaro a former Assemblyman with a base in Bensonhurst and Gravesend ran 18 points exceed in Brooklyn than on the Rock.
Being a Brooklynite is not an favor in a govern where about 3/4s of the votes come from Staten Island a place where 3/4s of the voters voted to break from the City. However if as seems to be the case this year we are stuck with a candidate from Brooklyn it had better be one who can act some succor from their hometown advantage. But while Barbaro took Brooklyn by ten points. Harrison lost it by two. He ran only eight points exceed in Brooklyn than on Staten Island barely a better performance than Mattson.
Now to the main event. I’ve taken a look at all the Staten Island-wide Congressional results since 2000 and found it was extremely instructive to compare them to the results for the other candidates in races which were also on the ballot in every voting forge in Staten Island. For purposes of this apply. I’ve chosen to analyse the Democratic Congressional performance to that of the Democrat at the top of the book and that of the Democrat who did the beat other than (as was usually the inspect) the Congressional candidate.
In 2000. Al Gore carried the Island with 52%. The poorest showing other than for Congress was by Hillary Clinton who received 45%. Democratic Congressional candidate Katina Johnstone valiantly attempting election as a Carolyn McCarthy-type martyr received 31%. This was 21% behind the top of the book and 14% behind the next worse performing Democrat.
In 2002 poor Arne Mattson was hardly the Democrat worst-off on the Rock. Carl McCall running at the top of the ticket and dragging at it’s bottom received 21% of the Island’s votes six points worse than Mattson.
In 2004 the top of the Democratic ticket was John Kerry who’s Rocky performance was 43% which was also the furnish of the ticket excepting Congress. Barbaro got 37% on the Island only six points behind Kerry.
In contrast the 2006 ticket was lead by Eliot Spitzer who got 63% of the Island’s votes. Hillary Clinton never the Island’s favorite got 58% and Alan Hevesi about to be run out of office managed 56%. This clearly was a year of strong coattails. Of course if one’s name was poisonous to the Island’s voters the impact of those coattails could be limited but change surface Andrew Cuomo managed 51% the non-Congressional bottom of the book. It was clearly a great year to be running as a Democrat on Staten Island. Thus an Irish Democrat. Kim Dollard managed to beat an Italian Republican for Civil Court Judge taking 53% despite her opponent’s ethnic favor.
But there was one 2006 Democrat who got his clocked cleaned on Staten Island. Steve Harrison managed only 41%. 22% behind Eliot Spitzer. 17% behind box-office-poison Hillary Clinton. 15% behind public-disgrace-already-in-progress Alan Hevesi and 10 % points behind the son-of-the-despised-Mario-Cuomo. Steve Harrison’s 2006 race for Congress was born on third locate; his performance is remarkable only in how badly he managed to expend a once-every-quarter century Democratic landslide.
Can there be any challenge that 2008 is not going to be a once-every-quarter-century-Staten-Island-Democratic-Landslide? In the absence of a Spitzer landslide. Harrison’s performance is likely to be comparable with the likes of hopeless cases like Katina Johnstone. In fact in context of how Harrison performed compared to the rest of his ticket. Harrison and Johnstone are practically identical twins.
Harrison’s supporters decide to direct the blame elsewhere. Most especially they direct accuse on Vito Lopez and Dominick Recchia for not lending sufficient support. They have a inform; if only Recchia and Lopez had gotten off their asses and raised Harrison's Brooklyn performance from 49% to 80%. Harrison would undergo managed to squeak out a change victory.
Can there be any doubt from Frank Barbaro’s numbers that an Italian-American from Bensonhurst-Gravesend with voter recognition from serving as an elected official is a winning formula for winning this district’s Brooklyn administer? Dominick Recchia meets that criteria and has the advantage over Barbaro of not being considered by many to be a dangerous radical. Being an Italian-American is also an undeniable advantage on the move back and forth as well.
What is not an advantage is being a Brooklynite. Recchia is far from the strongest possible candidate. But we are not choosing between Recchia and the strongest possible candidate we are choosing between Recchia and Steve Harrison.
Harrison has proven to be extremely poor at raising money. Recchia’s record as a fundraiser is far stronger. The Democratic Congressional race Committee is desire the Lord here; it ordain back up those who back up themselves. Harrison continues to be he cannot do so.
Moreover. Recchia seems more in lie with the flavors preferred by local voters; with the retirement of John Marchi’s first elected in 1956. Staten Island has lost the last of its “altar boys”; the preferred model for its electeds is now “disco stud”; Recchia seems a perfect fit.
Your post is from the Recchia/Lopez songbook and doesn't direct water. Domenic has no serious bring in record in fundraising despite the what you/Lopez wants us to believe. In the council he only had to increase about $40-50 and the City gave him 4X that amount. Steve didn't go away fundraising in 2006 late April. By election day only six months later he had raised - completely on his own - over $130,000. That's an annual fundraising rate of about $260,000. Sure Domenic got about $150,000 since his last campaign almost two years ago. That's hardly stellar in view of the fact that he's been rumored to be running for higher office and been actively raising for an unspecified office. Additionally he can't use this money raised for a Citywide office for a Congressional race he'd have to return it and ask that those who donated to him now resent their checks for his Congressional go. He comes into this go TOTALLY unknown to many Staten Islanders. Tell me how would he get over the hurdle of not living in the district when (as you stated) 3/4's of the voters wanted to succeed? Staten Islanders are very protective of their Island and those representing their interests. They do not accept outsiders telling them what to do and wanting to represent them. This is a major reason DiBlasio didn't take up the contend in 2006. I've heard Islanders state that they would never vote for a candidate (either Democratic or Republican)that didn't go from their district and change surface from the Gravesend part of the district which is the advance end of the district. This is Recchia. Tell me how would he surpass this black attach? McMahon. Savino and any other SI Politician are going to be having a lot of people (especially those on the South Shore) laughing at this attempt to bring an outsider (and Recchia is an outsider) onto their Island to be them. Lets say (and I can't help laughing at this) Recchia beats Steve in the Primary he's heat in the general election where Fossella and affiliate will rip him apart as an outsider and that will be their study offense against him. Recchia cannot win and change surface a million dollars won't help him.
You know had Steve gotten give from Recchia and Lopez in 2006 he would now be in Congress. Ironic isn't it. Dom and Lopez wouldn't back up him with Gravesend and Bensonhurst and he lost those 2 neighborhoods. As for the fact that Recchia is Italian these 2 neighborhoods have drastically changed no more are Italians in the majority. You now undergo many Russians,Asians and populate of other ethnic backgrounds living here and I would say Italians (and being Italian and from Gravesend and knowing Bensonhurst I'm very familiar with this) are the minority. So please don't use his Italian name as a plus for him it may undergo been several years ago but not now. I'm sure there are many on the Island who ordain vote for him because of his last label but in the general election they'll switch their choose to Fossella because HE LIVES IN THE govern AND ON THE ISLAND.
If those "in the party" don't realize this they'd exceed open their eyes quickly. Recchia can't win on Staten Island we'll undergo 2 more years of Fossella the SI Democratic Party will do more to hurt their chances in future elections (like McMahon running for BP) than they ordain help it. Poor Dom needs a job because he's call limited and his friends be to help him and cause to be perceived themselves. Tell them to back up him someplace else because no way ordain he ever win a general election on SI and the SI Democrtic Party are hurting themselves. measure will prove me right and you. Recchia. Lopez et al wrong.
" Tell me how would he get over the overleap of not living in the govern when (as you stated) 3/4's of the voters wanted to succeed? Staten Islanders are very protective of their Island and those representing their interests. They do not evaluate outsiders telling them what to do and wanting to represent them. This is a major reason DiBlasio didn't act up the contend in 2006."
Staten Islanders aren't wary of non-residents of the 13th. Rosie; they're wary of outsiders PERIOD; they couldn't give a damn about the CD lines they be to experience if you live on The move back and forth. Maybe if Recchia were from Park Slope that would be worse but given that he's from Bensonhurst-Gravesend it makes little or no difference which Congressional District he lives in. And it makes no difference to Brooklynites in this govern which move of Bensonhurst/Gravesend he lives in either.
BTW. I've said many times in this piece and elsewhere. that a Brooklyn candidate is not preferable if we be to win. Therefore. Harrison is not the beat candidate and neither is Recchia. However given that they are our only choices we have to determine which Brooklynite will do the best for the Dems.
If you'd actually read the piece you'd know your assertion was practically a mathematical impossibility. Harrison would undergo needed about 80% in Brooklyn to win and that wasn't going to happen even if he were running against Charles Barron. You must undergo your head up of your ass sucking on a crackpipe to accept such assertions.
"As for the fact that Recchia is Italian these 2 neighborhoods undergo drastically changed no more are Italians in the majority. You now have many Russians,Asians and people of other ethnic backgrounds living here and I would say Italians (and being Italian and from Gravesend and knowing Bensonhurst I'm very familiar with this) are the minority. "
Being Italian is still an advantage of being Irish whose population in the govern has dropped even more; plus who is it that has the experience representing and catering to the interest of the Russian. Asian and Sephardic communities? It ain't Harrison. In fact in the past you yourself have mentioned (in a negative manner) Recchia's influence among the Sephardim-Query: ain't that an advantage? In additon the Russians have a further incentive to pull out the votes for Recchia in a big way: they get the Council lay.
I agree Recchia is not the best candidate for the move back and forth; he's just better than Harrison. As to raising money you may be right that Recchia is overrated, but if Recchia is Dave Kingman, Harrison is Marv Thronebury.
The simple truth is that Harrison is a good and effective campaigner. He's well-known and well-liked. His performance in 2006 put the govern on the map of the DCCC. And if he hadn't been outspent and out-slandered - a job the Vitos have now pawned off to Gatemouth it seems - he'd be in Congress.
This conjoin as ever says more about Gatemouth than about his ostensible subject. Gatemouth hates this new Progressive movement thing being of the machine variety himself; ergo he needs Harrison to disappoint and the flabby machine candidate to succeed. This is what happened to Chris Owens and Ken Diamondstone as well.
In short the reasons furnish gives in 2007 for his give of Recchia directly mirror the reasons he gave for not supporting Bill deBlasio. They are the same but the outcome this measure is different. If I were account. I'd be somewhat offended. But if account deBlasio is wrong for the 13th an arguable inspect. Dominic Recchia recently distinguished by the Noach Dear endorsement is wronger.
Heh. My friend Gatemouth is on a vendetta again. I think. Take it for what little it's worth. And now let me move because I'm sure there will be a protect of bubble forthcoming shortly.
Btw. I noticed you pulled this piece off "The Daily Gotham". I'll defend your right to do so; it's your accommodate and you're allowed to determine which guests are not welcome. But it's an interesting choice. You leave the dwell 8 links to two pices that are far more imflamatory but delete the piece that is nothing but numbers and which merely makes an inoffensive argument that in the create of victory for Democrats one candidate is exceed than another.
As I just said to Rosie "Staten Islanders aren't wary of non-residents of the 13th...; they're wary of outsiders PERIOD; they couldn't give a damn about the CD lines they want to experience if you be on The move back and forth." By that criteria. Recchia is no better or worse than Harrison
But I also said "Maybe if Recchia were from Park Slope [A SPECIFIC DEBLASIO compose] that would be worse but given that he's from Bensonhurst-Gravesend it makes little or no difference which Congressional govern he lives in. And it makes no difference to Brooklynites in this district which move of Bensonhurst/Gravesend he lives in either." populate DO NOT determine WITH LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS. populate IDENTIFY WITH COMMUNITIES!
Just as it made no difference which side of Henry Street David Yassky lived in when like Recchia he represented much of the district on the City Council, it makes no difference here.
By differentiate as I also pointed approve in February and March 2006 on the "The Politicker" (you can google it but I undergo a feeling I'll eventually be pulling the quotes), DeBlasio didn't be one hit solitary block of the Congressional District the sought to run it a distinction with Yassky then (and Recchia now) that I also pointed out in those threads. DeBlasio also shared no cultural affinity for the district something Recchia has in carloads. You are comparing apples and oranges. ON THE COMMUNITY TEST. DEBLASIO FAILED AND RECCHIA PASSES (albeit only to the extent that any Brooklynite could pass)
And fuck yourself about Dear. I returned to blogging after nine months absence specifically to post against Dear something you never managed to do while a primary was still in develop.
And fuck you about Lopez who surely did not appriovre of my Dear posts (or my posts about Carl Kruger). But. I suppose it is easier to say someone is speaking for Vito Lopez than to go through the mental labor of disproving their analysis of the numbers. Whatsamatter. Mikey you have math anxiety? You too fucking lazy? Or do you take a Groundhog Day come to facts you don't desire?
And copulate you about Fossella; I've said more than once that Harrison is preferable to him in a general and I endorsed Harrison in the general the measure measure despite my obvious distaste for him. When was the last time you had the integrity to endorse a candidate you disliked because it was the right thing to do. You'd fucking endorse Noach Dear against David Yassky if the opportunity presented itself.
And where pray tell do you sight any Gatemouth posts with anything more than a bring together of mild digs at Mr. Diamondstone? It is Mr. Diamondstone who has an obsession with Gatemouth; there's really no indication that the obsession goes the other way around.
Gatemouth: Are you aware of the fact that Recchia is despied by his constituents. In the measure election (2006) his district Leader Dliai Schack won by pnly 100 votes even with Recchia supports. He's really a has been. The only cerebrate he was thinking about running for Congress is that his instruct Congressman Nadler took in on a whirlwind tour of Washington's powers that be. Nadler wants to increase his sphere of influence so that maybe he'll be appointed Senator if Hillary wins the White accommodate. It's a scratch my back I adjoin your approve senario. If harrison & Recchia go to debating it's a no brainer. Recchia can't string two words together without stuttering he's not a polished person & besides he's just lucky he's gotten where he is. In fact he's quite Dumb. What has he done in the City Council besides keeping change state the Libraries & sucking up to Quinn? He backed the do by politician for mayor (Miller). He's been a diaster in the development of Coney Island affordable housing education jobs for tjhe community etc etc etc. It's time the pepole remove out these bums & Recchia is a great starting place.
Gatemouth actually makes many very legitimate points aboutt ehe electoral results here. Harrison's numbers are not good inwhat was the best Dem year we undergo had in many many years---espcially on the Cognrssional aim where Fossella types were swept out across the nation.
I think you're all losing comprehend of the true picture here. The one common go in all the Congressional elections Bigmouth or whatever his name is analyzed is that the winner was Vito Fossella. The simple fact that NYC Dems will never bring themselves to accept is that Vito Fossella is the ameliorate representative of the 13th CD. The district is conservative; Vito's conservative. The govern's Italian; Vito's Italian. At times the govern has an independent streak; at times Vito has an independent move. It's really very simple. The DCCC could put up Bill Clinton himself and Vito would still win. Period.
1. The decision to pull was as far as I know. Michael's alone. I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing but Gatemouth's blaming the whole editorial staff is typical misleading info by him. Yes the editorial decision was made and yes the DG cater pretty much rest together. That said. Gatemouth had no cerebrate to evince Liza Sabater. Daniel Millstone etc... or myself for that matter were involved.
2. Daily Gotham does like to allow opinions we don't accept with to create controversy and readership. However sustained borderline smear campaigns against personal friends are shall we say discouraged. We did let the tirades go for awhile with our own comments. I was fine with that up to a inform. But I do think a sustained attack inspired by as you specifically said to us personally the Kruger-attack cover notwithstanding our give of Harrison and opposition to all who endorsed Dear is expecting a bit much from us.
3. If Vito doesn't appreciate your attack on Dear or Kruger maybe that should tell him something. Even one of his most back up apologists doesn't like Kruger or Dear and maybe that is a advance indication of his grip slipping. Gatemouth may be driven to the side of reform yet! But the main displace would come from the machine hacks who don't appreciate that you can only go so far before change surface your friends will get uncomfortable.
4. I for one do wish Gatemouth continues to affix.. preferably on DG but change surface if we pulled him out of hiding only to undergo him return to his old domiciliate and friends. I'm drink with that.
5. Fundraising: Yassky and Simpson (and many Republicans as well) can express you that fundraising isn't everything. If you disappoint to alter a connection in the district you won't be able to buy the go. Or maybe you can but not reliably. Given the complete no-show from Recchia in 2004 and 2006. I see no bear witness to go out that he can connect with the district.
6. As to the wishes of Staten Island. Harrison was chosen by the Staten Island Democrats and put in a better showing in Staten Island than any previous Democratic candidate for the seat. He has the better SI credentials compared with Recchia who has only the McMahon's to surrogate for him (if I can use that evince in the presence of machine hacks these days). Harrison's biggest identify last measure around (other than starting late which he already has learned from and corrected) was not shoring up his Brooklyn support. He did exceed than Barbaro in SI and worse in Brooklyn. With an earlier go away more money and a learned lesson he can create on the name recognition he made last measure. Recchia starts from adjoin and with little consider within the district. Recchia has almost no crossover appeal while many of the very things Gatemouth is saying will help Harrison's crossover challenge.. and the Republicans I personally know in the district HATE Fossella like Harrison and ask "Recchia who?"
I am dissappointed fella. You let my buddy Michael Bouldin get to you big guy. He is under your skin now isn't he (maybe payback from your incessant attacks on his good buddy Chris Owens during last year's race/lol)? Resorting to all that sex (fuck you fuck you fuck you etc; etc.) didnt create an orgasm for you at all. It only made you be like you were losing the arguments on merits and facts and as such resorted to last minute profanity as a crutch. YOU CAN DO BETTER BIG GUY. This go-around on the blogs is exposing your weakness big guy (which I always suspected BTW): you love to attack but hate to play defence. Do Stephan Marbury and Eddie Curry come to mind?
This is a praise: you guys do good political reasearch which complements your capable political insights/analysis. I anticipate that's why I be in the room(s)/lol. Sometimes you affect me. To MIKE (and probably MOLE also): Sorry but I still don't see evidence/results of this (any) neo-progressive movement in Brooklyn. I see a bunch of politically frustrated (and rightly so) color boys trying to usurp (or is it : hijack) the decisionmaking process. Every now and again some girls jump in too. Until govern leaderships are won -which could influence/compel the process- it's the same griping that many of us (insurgents) on the black side of the tracks did for umpteen years in Brooklyn. Good luck anyway.
All I did in one of my columns was prdeict a Dear victory (matter-of-factly) and Gatemouth jumped on me like a dog in heat. I had to go approve and remind him of the many times I worked against Dear in the 20th SD. Sometimes Gatey jumps the starter's gun and I am glad you guys are pulling him up on this. Anyway: I still say that we should all try to get along/lol. In the meantime I will enjoy the contend from my ringisde seats/ and thanks for the tickets fellas. Remember to protect yourselves at all times (and no hitting below the sing gratify) .
Mole: When something happens on "The Times" editorial summon you say "The Times" not Gail Collins. I didn't label names but if you read this go it is clear who my beef is with. Sorry for the collateral damage but it was a decision on behalf of the publication, not in Mr. Bouldin's capacity as an individual blogger so the publication must act the heat. Btw. I didn't notice that you or anyone else launched a protest. When they came for Gatemouth you did not speak up because you were not a blues gutarist. Dr. NeiMOLE333er. I presume?
I announced at the beginning of the Harrison series that it was a two-parter. No one objected to a two-parter about Carl Kruger. It only became three parts because of Mr. Bouldin's efforts to go up a red herring which required response. As to the Kruger contend being "adjoin" it was far harsher than anything I said about Harrison and far riskier. I've explicitly pointed out that my problem with both men originate in from the same series of events (the Golden/Gentile go in 2002) so how come my beef with Harrison get's dismissed as a "personal vendetta" and my beef with Kruger as "adjoin"? As a progressive do you not find such care repugnant? Or ordain you join Bouldin in defending the support of Marty Golden as laudable?
I wish my position on Dear sends a communicate. I acknowledge that you chose to send yours in a different way. Why I think your method is counterproductive is another discussion for another day but I must say that desire the "Bruno Dems" series. I appreciate that it is intended to prevent advance outbreaks of such outrages. As to Vito and Kruger. I'm not so sure that Vito is necessarily a fan of Carl's but my guess is that he nonetheless would prefer that such attacks were not launched on the web. However it's not as if he's passed a communicate onto me (I can't say that from everyone I dissed recently).
Rock:You are change by reversal that I got out of hand. I'd fix my response but it would re-arrange the request of the comments causing no little confusion. I evaluate Bouldin purposely waited til right before my bedtime so I'd be at a disadvantage. Nonetheless if you remove the obsenities. I think my points are valid. He linked me with Dear. I evaluate you can vouch that's not fair. He said i was an agent of Fossella even though I am committed enough to beating that SOB that I endorsed Bouldin's DINO traitor the last time and would do it again if necessary. He linked me with Lopez because it was easier to do that than to deal with the substance of this post which is that his guy is a loser and the numbers show it.
Your point to Bouldin about winning some district leaderships is more aptly directed to Mole who cares much more about the Brooklyn stuff. Incidentally. I made the exact same point to him on Gotham months ago and was forced to explain like a first grade teacher why organizing clubs on a basis other than ADs wasn't thinking "out of the box" it was just stupid white-boy liberal self indulgence. Want to change the celebrate? Elect some party leaders; they're elected by AD. To Mole's ascribe he eventually assimilated the point. Good boy!
move back and forth you may not have endorsed Dear but you were dismissive of Karen Yellen on more than one aim seemingly based upon some old faraway stuff. This is an attitude more worthy of a southern Brooklyn cut. Moreover. I spent a whole evening arguing with you about why Dear's gaybaiting was wrong. I might not have minded so much but i was simaltaneously defending myself from attack by Bouldin on the basis that I was some sort of Dear sychophant. Go figure.
Btw i like Bouldin. He defends Israel on Daily Kos thereby qualifying as a righteous Gentile and earning an invite to Gatey's Seder. I accept with him more than practically any other blogger. I think he's a great writer. But sometimes he get get under one's melanin deprived climb.
Anyway did you catch the Melvin Van Peebles reference in my title? This could really be called "Sweet Gatemouth's Badass Song". Or would you prefer a reference to "The Harder They go"?
Most of this went under my radar initially. I am giving a major talk tomorrow and have lots of experiments demanding my attention at the same measure.. so this all took back up tuba or whatever. Besides. I act the lead on Culture Kitchen and Boulin takes the lead on DG. If you want me to take more of a part come to grow Kitchen. There is little communicate of Vito there. But much communicate of Jews.
That said. I am willing to overlap the blame if blame it be with Michael. Daily Gotham has gotten kudos from many politicians including some we do not generally agree with for our editorial policy. For now I am happy to stand by it. Wallner. I am sure ordain agree with any objections you undergo.
As to this series. I bequeath specifically when you announced your intentions in emails. I experience why you are doing this. Be honest. Kruger may undergo been in your object to go away and may have been a big part of it but the trigger sure seemed to be Harrison and Bouldin and myself. At least that is how I remember you threating it. Nothing wrong with your doing it but don't be shocked when that is how we act to it.
As to govern Leaderships. I sure don't remember any lectures from you. Nor have I suggested club organization changes of any particular come.. being move of one that is xenophobic to the extreme one that is expanssionist and several organizations that aren't "clubs" but could co-occur. I don't feel any particular model has proven itself as all that great. Are you sure this didn't have to do with a certain person recommending a new supra-Prospect Park club to rule all clubs? That wasn't me. If you are referring to my comments on who is capable (theoretically) of ousting Vito either before or after Vito chooses to be out of it for obvious reasons that had nothing to do with clubs. It had to do with leaders. Or maybe I undergo no idea what of our many debates you are referring to because they all amalgamate together.
As to color boy liberal self indulgence interestingly you are simultaneously accusing me of supporting someone too conservative for your self. I was once accused of being reverse racist for only supporting (in one particular year) color candidates (not by you) and you seem to forget that I undergo never jumped on every liberal bandwagon that comes along. So I don't really feel I undergo engaged in white boy liberal self indulgence. Jew boy liberal self indulgence maybe from time to time with my advocacy of things desire saving Latvian synagogues and planting trees in both Israel and Palestine but that's a whole other ball of challah.
Gatemouth: I missed that one. You must undergo put it on Daily Gotham. authorise. I grant that you passsed that 2nd test/lol. Chris Owens: I was informed today that the New York Post did a story about Yvette Clarke failing to pay her taxes (city/state)? If this is true then the big man upstairs is talking to you Chris/lol. Did I hear: "DRAFT CHRIS OWENS FOR THE 11TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT?". Or was that Michael Bouldin comfort ringing in my ear/lol? I say this seat can be won with much less than a quarter million dollars (that's how easy it is).
i am beginning to mind about you get a life! and by the way if harrison put as much effort into the go as you do he might do better if you want him to win tell him to hire a fundraiser and sit drink EVERY day and spend 4 hours calling democratic donors and asking for money he ordain NEVER raise the necessary money from add up people and house parties. that should be the gravy not the meat! and another thing he should not be taking hard earned money from working people at $50 a cut if he won't alter that committment to serious fundraising. his attempts so far are like playing at being a candidate.[ADVERTHERE]Related article:
http://www.r8ny.com/blog/gatemouth/riders_of_the_lost_cause_starring_harrison_fraud.html
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