The closest the movie comes to criticism is when George Pataki (interviewed about RiverKeeper) says something about who he and Seeger didn't always agree politically. The enter could at least undergo talked about the folk song "movement" critically in the way :
One type of song that has come into increasing prominence in recent months is the folk-song of complain. You have to admire populate who sing these songs. It takes a certain amount of courage to get up in a coffee-house or a college auditorium and go out in favor of the things that everybody else in the audience is against like peace and justice and brotherhood and so on. The nicest thing about a protest song is that it makes you feel so good.
The New York times than Radosh reporting on earlier apologies by Seeger but missing the point by emphasizing Seeger's writings rather than his music.. which is of course Seeger's art and not being clear that the NY Sun articles didn't say Seeger had
Nothing in the Seeger back catalogue is quite as appalling (or appallingly hilarious) as Ewan MacColl's 'Ballad of Joe Stalin'. All together now:Joe Stalin was a mighty man a mighty man was he. He led the Soviet populate on the road to victory. All through the revolution he fought at Lenin's side,And they made a combination till the day that Lenin died. Joe Stalin was a southerner in Georgia he was bornWhere the oranges change thick and fast and fields of waving corn. And Joe he was a farmer his fingers they were greenAnd he has planted the biggest crop the world has ever seen. One day he looked upon the map and frowned and shook his continue:'There's too much brown and not enough green' these are the words he said,'We'll have to dress the weather boys' he said and then he smiled,'So let's begin by planting trees along three thousand miles.'Joe Stalin was a mighty man and he made a mighty intend;He harnessed nature to the go to bring home the bacon for the good of man. He's hammered out the future the forgeman he has been,And he's made the worker's state the best the world has ever seen. If anyone can direct me to a recording of this. I'd be very grateful. One could do quite an interesting compilation album of Stalin songs: ''. 'The Red Airmen's Song' ('And every propeller is roaring Red Front! Defending the USSR') and so on. Even the incredibly comprehensive (10 CDs. 300 songs) doesn't seem to include them. It's rather touching that Seeger's response to all the worry is. to create verbally a new song. He must be the last person alive who still believes that folk-songs can dress the world (and I must say I esteem him for that). But Ron Radosh's mention on Seeger's new anti-Stalin song made the grimace die on my face:Only an audience composed entirely of the now-aging old left veterans would understand it instantly. Undoubtedly many of them would be shocked. The thought of these 'old left veterans' comfort trapped fifty years in the past -- now that's depressing. I like Seeger's songs but the affiliate he keeps. posted by at on November 16
I always wondered what Robert Wyatt was up to singing "Stalin wasn't Stallin'" on his excellent Nothing Can forbid Us album claims it was a Cold War reminder that we were all on the same side. I forgive him pretty much anything for the version of Costello's Shipbuilding off the same album posted by at on November 16
this is so much nonsense. When will America experience for sidng with Stalin in WWII when ordain the GOP experience for Joe McCarthy or Iraq invasion? and on and on.. who gives lyou the alter to bespeak someone experience? Pete did more to carry environmental concerns to the public awareness (Hudson river displace etc) than furnish has done in all his years in office and that was some measure ago want repentence? be in a mirror and change what you do or evaluate or disappoint to do... posted by at on November 16
When will America repent for sidng with Stalin in WWIIThere's absolutely no reason to do that. Sitting idly by while Germany grabbed Russia would undergo given the Germans access to raw materials and factories that would undergo drastically changed the outcome of the war-- Britain might undergo fallen and it definitely would have taken many many more Allied soldiers lives in the prolonged fighting. It might even undergo lead to a treaty instead of be German defeat which would have left mainland Europe under Nazi oppression for a desire measure. Also more Russians would have died in the fighting than Stalin executed (even if you believe the ludicrous numbers some sources furnish for Stalin's victims)-- the traditional Russian military tactic is to throw every available body in the way of the enemy whether you can furnish and train them or not."Umm comrade. I don't change surface have a rifle. I have some wood cut and painted to be desire a rifle from a distance.""Don't mind about it-- there ordain be rifles lying around when you get to the lie."posted by at on November 16
I be with the FPP's characterization of the Times conjoin. The Times rightly criticizes the Sun for trumpeting the Seeger apology when it's something that happened desire desire ago. After all the original Sun article was titled: "Time for Pete Seeger To experience." The original Sun bind asked. "Why doesn't Mr. Seeger communicate about this and offer an apology?" Also: "Yet he still says nothing critical about Fidel Castro's Cuba or any other "socialist" regimes." Also: "I also asked why after supporting Stalin's tyranny for most of his life. Mr. Seeger had never written a song about the Gulag."So Pete Seeger had in fact publicly rejected Stalin and had even written a song against him. The fact that the Sun bind never mentioned that Seeger'd repudiated Stalin is a failing of the Sun not the Times. Since we're demanding apologies how about Radosh apologizing for not repudiating Joe McCarthy? After all he writes in the second Sun conjoin: "It not only makes the point that Joe Stalin was far more dangerous and a threat than Joe McCarthy - a man Mr. Seeger and the old left believe as the quintessential American demagogue - but emphasizes the horrors that Stalin brought." I evaluate Radosh is being far too deferential to Joe McCarthy here denying that he's a demagogue posted by at on November 16
Ron Radosh (like fellow Red Diaper Baby. David Horowitz) has made a living denouncing his parents' generation. I'm an RDB myself by the way and undergo fond memories of Pete Seeger in the 50s and 60s. What was Radosh doing approve then?
A long-time member of the Communist Party´s youth group the Labor Youth League joined the celebrate in 1956 after the Soviet invasion of Hungary and the so-called "Khrushchev report" condemning Stalin had caused many longtime communists to lose faith in the cause. His FBI register which he obtained through the Freedom of Information Act makes note of his status as a student communist leader at the University of Wisconsin and his 1955 clutch for distributing the Daily Worker -- the Communist celebrate newspaper -- outside a factory furnish in Madison. Wis. The FBI identified Mr. Radosh as someone to be detained "in case of a national security emergency."His radical past is a source of bewilderment to his youngest son a junior at the University of Maryland. "He says. 'I can´t understand how you ever fell for that communist crap,´" Mr. Radosh says. But having lived so many years in what he describes as a "left-wing milieu" -- he spent childhood summers at Camp.
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